NVIDIA Lovelace 40xx

copy/paste od najveceg AMD obozavatelja:

"4070 Super still looks much better investment.

RX 7800XT is insta-EOL at its current price point. Even die-hard AMD fans, would at list think for a several times, before considering a purchase.

And higher AMD tiers are doomed as well. Despite how silly 4070 Ti Super is and sounds, and with horrendous connector, it still is better card than 7900XT.
Considering the horible power consumption AMD/RTG can't fix for years already (which alone is dealbraker for many ppl), many would prefer to buy overall more "feature rich" GPU.
And no one can be blamed for that. Nvidia did a great marketing win/trick this time. And AMD still behaves, as there's no competition.

For example, here 4070 Super Asus Dual is $60 bucks more than 7800XT Nitro+, for a generally almost 10% faster card, with everything except VRAM amount is better.

And despite the later is unforgivably low for 2024, I think it's still a better buy if priced closer to MSRP. In areas with huge power bills, $60 bucks would pay off in couple of months.

AMD should be ashamed for gouching their loyal user base, with that MSRP. The only people it hurts are Radeon fans. Because, nobody else would be buying their cards. They can't beat or attract nVidia target audience, no matter what.

And if AMD doesn't understand that, it's their loss. There's more chance of AMD fan to join Nvidia camp, than vice versa.

They should have considered significant markup that every store adds on top. There's no way to buy any GPU at recommended price anywhere in the world, outside US.
And the stores mentioned on the AMD's parter/supplier list are just bunch of greedy resellers. They neither sell at MSRP, nor having direct supplies from AMD.

Either AMD fix their supply chain and pricing, or they should consider to give up, and stop tease consumers with unrealistic expectations.
Just think a bit, that this is impossible for AMD to rival Nvidia. Hence it has bigger stock of "cheaper than 4090" GPU chips, and can afford some price decrease. While AMD's foundry constrained, and tries to milk each single chip, with even higher margins.
This is double disgusting, because AMD's chiplets are easier to make, and the node is cheaper as well.

P.S.: And 7800XT is really a 7800 class, not XT. More like 6800 with added AI chip. And it should have been $450 bucks, from the start for AIB superior version. Not even mentioning, it was too late to the party. As Nvidia was selling 4070 for couple month by that time."

RTX 4070 Super ima na lopate po trgovinama u De,kako ce ovu situaciju okrenut u price o nestasicama.....

A ocito se ne prodaju ni ovdje ni po tim cijenama.

dobro nemoj pretjerivat, di je to u eu po 500e??

Nebitno, poanta je da ljudi gledaju na USA cijene kao konačne a to su veleprodajne cijene na koje idu porezi ovisno o državi.

 U HR imaš dvostruki porez, jedan od  države, drugi od prodavača i na to još marža. :)

Neki bogac je to odradio za tebe 

Bilo je i očekivati tu negdje. Super je trebala samo dati 16Gb video memorije, što je trebalo biti u startu odmah.

Tamo gdje je obićna Ti štekala su rezolucije više od 1440p - zbog memorije, sada, čekamo prve rezultate u 2160p

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070Ti SUPER is 8% faster on average than RTX 4070Ti in 3DMark tests - VideoCardz.com

 tim to jako dobro obradi, pa pogledaj

ima na njihovoj stranici još testova, ali ovaj je dosta obiman

dobar je i digital foundry...

uglavnom, zaključak je da dlss bolje fercera, radi u više igrica, a za korisnika nije zanemarivo i to što s nevidijinim karticama možeš birat što ćeš koristiti, pa u rijetkim slučajevima gdje dlss nije integriran u igru možeš koristiti i fsr, dok si s amd grafama ograničen samo na fsr

 Skoro tri godine sam koristio DLSS i pričao koliko je odličan i da mi je to isto kao nativno pa mi se dosta ljudi ovdje smijalo. 

Sad skoro godinu dana koristim samo FSR i ne vidim da je nešto lošiji od DLSS-a, meni je to isto, tj. palim ga u svakoj igri. Na 4K TV-u pod obavezno.

Sad imamo i frejm generator u svim dx 11 i dx 12 igrama.

Ima dosta naslova sa DLSS i FSR, kad se usporedi kvaliteta na istoj kartici onda je FSR dosta lošiji. Gledam na 1440p i quality setting.

Nej se srdit, to je samo komad hardware-a, nije vrijedno živaca.

Svi oni (AMD, Nvidia i trgovci) nas deru ko male majmune, a mi im punimo džepove.

Nisu oni krivi, mi smo krivi.

 I ja bi kolega isto pisao da mi je RTX kartica u oglasu