AMD FX Club

Pozdrav,  jel može preporuka najbolje ploče do 1000kn za FX 6300?

Frendu je riknila AsRock 970 Pro nakon nepune godine dana sa tim procesorom clockanim na 4.0 bez diranja voltaže....

Ja sam zadovoljan sa svojom Ga 990 FXA-UD3 (osim par bugova pri butanju ako je  klokan i vraćanjem iz sleep moda) ali možda ima koja Asus ploča za taj iznos da je bolja za njegov proc...

I ram-ovi su mu Kingston Hyper Fury black 4x4 1866....

Ta druga se cini kao odlicna kupovina, pogotovo jer ima garu i uredne papire.

P.S.

Nova AM3+ ploca od ASUS-a

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3024572/hardware/amds-zen-chips-coming-first-to-high-end-desktops-at-end-of-2016.html uhh, strah me da ce opet kaskat korak iza pre kasno je to

 ja bi uzeo CPU (AMD FX 8350) odma da upgradeam svojega FX 6300 

Zavisi koje vodeno, mada njega vazduh hladi na 4.5ghz bez problema.

 Drži to i pošteno zračno hlađenje. H110i je skup hladnjak pa se nikako ne može reći da se isplati s obzirom da 4.5Ghz drži i cooler od 300kn. Ali ako imaš baš želju i para onda si kupi, nema tu puno mudrovanja.

 H80i ti je sasvim dovoljan ja ga imam jedino ako imas mjesta za veci hladnjak . Meni je prostor bio problem . svoga drzim na 4.5 sa h80i i sve je 5 al napustam i ja fx ubrzo ;D

 Ako ideš na i7 6700K onda opet nema smisla uzimat H110i jer je Intel to napravio opet retardirano i nema velike razlike između coolera od 300 kn i 800kn. Stvar je u tome da se ne može prenjeti toplina efikasno sa chip-a na heat spreader pa na hladnjak i onda jači hladnjaci ne mogu doć do izražaja. Ako ideš na X99 socket onda se već osjeti razlika i isplati se uzet bolje hlađenje.

 Da, to ti je problem kod Intel što se pravi glup. Ja sam imao li-la iste temperature na svom i7 sa VenomusX hladnjakom (odličan cooler) i sa NH-D15 što ne bi trebao biti slučaj. Nabijem, napon i takt na i7, pokrenem Prime i temperature odu u nebo a hladnjak ni topal nije. Problem je u tom transferu topline do hladnjaka i onda đabe mrcine kad ne može preuzet energiju da bi je predao u okolni zrak. Dok su recimo na X99 socket procesorima normalno radili kako Bog zapovijeda.

 pa onda to je nestabilanklok dizi taj napon

Previse brinu ljudi jel mu proc radi na 1.4 ili na 1.37 ili 1.34 a temperature ispod 60*C!
Nek te ne brine napon (ne voltaza, ta rijec ne postoji) sve dok je procesor hladan, daj mu soka i guraj, sve dok je 'ladno guraj i ne brini!
Degradacija procesora je proslost i ostala je u 2010

 jesi li baš 100% siguran kad drugima preporučaš tako nešto

čak i ako je stariji tekst, ne znači da ne vrijedi i danas - nigdje nisam vidio da se amd ili intel hvale kako su novi procesori otporniji na voltažu:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2468/6

ovdje ti je to fino objašnjeno, a suprotno od toga nisam vidio nigdje, pa me baš zanima na čemu temeljiš svoje tvrdnje

a kako se čini, smanjenjem proizvodnog procesa možda su čak i osjetljiviji:

As a chemical engineering student I might say that processors, in terms of voltage and temperature, are limited by physical properties of the chemical compounds they are composed of. NOTE: I'm not any kind of expert on processor technology, but just based on what I know about chemistry and the thin-films used in processor manufacture I can say this.

The latest processors are getting to so small transistor sizes (22nm) that there aren't too many atoms in the transistor (just 200 silicon atoms - and even less with all the other larger atoms they tend to incorporate in transistors), which means there's a greater chance of leakage as there's less of a "buffer" between the transistors and also less room for electrons (-) and holes (+) (charge conductors in a semiconducting material). So if you pump more voltage across a circuit it also means there will be more charge flowing through it (higher current) if the ratio of voltage and current remains unchanged. What this means is that there will be a lot more electrons trying to get into the circuit which might eventually cause short-circuits as they don't all have room to flow through and it's energetically more viable to jump to another transistor i.e. short-circuit. This obviously can cause significant damage and is often the extreme case, which would probably require a LOT of voltage. Anyways the probability of leakage increase with increased voltage and therefore reduces the life-expectancy of your processor.

Temperature on the other hand relates to the material properties of the die. These depend on the chemical compounds. Obviously silicon dioxide. which is essentially sand doesn't melt very easily, however nowadays there's plenty of other materials in the transistors that can start to thermally degrade to some extent already at the temperatures that we usually talk about here i.e. +100C.

ima doduše i drukčijih mišljenja, no oba spadaju u spekulacije, a dok nešto nije sigurno potvrđeno zajebavat se treba s vlastitih hw-om i suzdržat se od savjeta koji drugima mogu prouzročit štetu

With regard to voltage, I was always under the impression that higher voltage just means that you can have significantly higher levels of quantum tunneling through regions where otherwise you wouldn't have it. I can't really think of a reason why increased electron movement would actually cause damage. Perhaps I'm thinking about this wrong, but it's not like the electron is crashing through the channel or the gate dielectric and forming a short circuit path in it's wake. It's really just jumping from one side to another via the quantum tunneling phenomenon. My guess would be that higher voltages lead to high local temperatures due to increased resistance, and this could possibly be causing localized defects, particularly on the interfaces of different materials, such as the metal in the source/drain and the semiconductor material next to it. Possibly why you don't have chips dying at 2V when they're cooled by LN2. I can image that your CPU probably would instantly die on air at that voltage.

This is all speculation though, similar to the above poster I am a Chemical Engineer, so most of this is based off of how materials tend to act under various physical conditions.

lako je tudjim qurcem dracu mlatiti  testiraj ti svoj proc s velikim naponom

Viši napon će teško oštetiti proceor ali matična ako nema dobru naponsku regulaciju, sa dobrim hlađenjem msofeta lako može reći laku noć. Treba paziti sa tim stvarima ako nemaš kompletno top hardver.